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Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
1923
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Posted - 2013.11.21 19:46:00 -
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Instead of cancelling the order, can you just hide it while the buyer doesn't have enough money to cover buying the minimum volume? A hidden order will not be visible in the market window, and won't be attempted to be sold to. When the buyer acquires enough ISK to cover the minimum quantity, the order will appear again.
This does nothing to legitimate traders, as your order is only hidden while you wouldn't be able to utilize it anyway. Even better, your order won't be cancelled and you won't lose broker fees if you temporarily run out of money and someone tries to sell to you. Scams would be obviously eliminated.
I agree that scams using deceit, misplaced trust or false advertising are okay. Scams using faults of deficient UI are bad. |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
1925
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Posted - 2013.11.21 19:53:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote:Matthew wrote:Gizznitt Malikite wrote:RL businesses, just like traders in EvE, can implement good business practices to avoid future losses (like researching the true value of your goods, as well as their sales volume and volatility). Sure, if you order something once and then don't complete, the RL business would generally suck it up. But if you came in and did it every single day, that RL business is quickly going to realise that you are not a legitimate customer and refuse to do business with you. The anonymity of the Eve market and the inability of the market to self-regulate intent in the same way as such human decision-making prevents that from being a viable option, hence why other options like minimum collateral levels are being explored. So let's remove the anonymity within the EvE market.... I want to see who's placing those buy & sell orders!!! And this would be a good source of potential conflict as people identify their competitors!!!
The anonymity doesn't come from not being able to see who placed the order. The anonymity comes from freely available throwaway alts. |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
1925
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Posted - 2013.11.21 19:55:00 -
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Lukas Rox wrote:Heres a copy of my post from another thread about this issue: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3600276#post3600276Quote:Margin Trading scams exist because people trust the market too much. In 99.9% of orders they complete, so new players quickly learn to trust the market. And then out of a sudden it fails them, leaving them with an item they never wanted in the first place.
IMO what should be changed is Aura should say something about "dont trust buy orders" in the tutorial:
"Market buy orders can sometimes fail, for example when the buyer does not have enough money to cover the order. Some people can deliberately use this against you."
And that's it I think. If someone didn't run the tutorial, then and only then they can be blamed for their ignorance.
The question is, do we want the UI to intentionally lie to you? Can you name any other aspect of the game where it does?
(API in relation to POS siphons. Yes I'm still kinda mad. [/offtopic]) |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
1928
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Posted - 2013.11.21 20:38:00 -
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CCP Rise already suggested cancelling the order whenever you don't have enough money, so I would guess that this is feasible. |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
1930
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Posted - 2013.11.21 21:04:00 -
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Berluth Luthian wrote:IRL, there is such a thing as 'financial criminals'. Why not make people who break contracts get a criminal standings penalty and maybe even a faction standing penalty to the NPC broker's corp through whom it was issued. It could be proportional to the ammount that they scam/steal. Allow scamming to continue, but create a kind of cost/risk to it that makes it harder to do. If the person who issues you a contract has a significantly poor rating, then they could be a scammer.
Because of throwaway alts. |
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